The Podolskiy Method: Parenting an athlete
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The Podolskiy Method: Parenting an athlete
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A concussion can turn a high-functioning athlete into someone who can’t sleep, can’t think clearly, and can’t get through a normal day and it can happen fast. We sit down with Dr. Adel Marei, MD (neuropsychiatry, Basics Brains Clinic) and Carla Pentimone (founder of Women’s College Hockey Recruiting) to talk about a treatment many people only hear about in passing: Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation (TMS). Carla opens up about her own severe post-concussion symptoms and why trying TMS became the turning point that helped her feel like herself again.
We break down what TMS actually is, how non-invasive magnetic pulses can target specific brain regions, and why individualized protocols matter so much. Dr. Marei explains what he looks for clinically, why early intervention after trauma can be easier than “last resort” care, and what real progress can look like including quick changes, plateaus, and the need for follow-through. We also dig into the questions athletes and parents care about: safety concerns you see online, how treatment schedules work, what insurance may or may not cover, and why coaching and daily habits like sleep and boundaries help results last.
Then we zoom out to the bigger sports picture: elite stress, identity after sport, mental health, and how brain-based care can fit alongside training and rehab. If you’re searching for concussion recovery options, post-concussion syndrome support, or a clearer understanding of TMS and neuroplasticity, this conversation gives you a strong place to start. Subscribe for more, share this with a teammate or parent who needs it, and leave a review with your biggest question about concussion recovery.
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SPEAKER_02Good evening, everybody, and welcome to the Podalski Method Podcast. Hope everybody's having a wonderful summer and enjoying their time. I'm your uh creator and host, Coach Ilya, level 5 USA Hockey Master Coach, creator and host of the Podalski Method Podcast, owner and operator of a skate sharpening shop called Sharp Sky New York, UST Hockey, Coach Developer, and a CPA by trade. And I have some uh amazing guests, but before we get to them, just want to remind you guys of our sponsors, Print Only With Us, a full printing shop here in New York City for all your printing needs, t-shirts, or if you want to print a metal picture of yourself, you can do that too. Um, we're gig hockey for uh to protect your teeth for all you hockey players out there uh who like to wear a wiser, you get 10% off with a code 10 P O D O L S K I Y. Uh friends at How is Hockey offering 10% off with code P-O-D-O-L-S-K-I-Y 10? That's for everybody looking to get some tape, some some awesome hockey uh support gear. Um, of course, don't forget on your Rangers uh community where you could sign up for learn to play programs with under 300 bucks, you get full gear, 10 lessons, and get your kid going at a price that everybody can afford and really get into the game. The website is https uh www.nhl.com slash rangers slash community slash use dash hockey. Um and of course, uh don't forget our nonprofit organization, Sengation's Minds.org, focused on helping uh kids with and without disabilities in our community here in New York, uh looking to create some opportunities for uh um families to kind of continue to um have a better lifestyle and and through sports and education to allow them to grow and uh become better.
Meet The Guests And Their Work
SPEAKER_02Uh and so with no further ado, I'd like to introduce my two guests tonight, which is Dr. Adele Moray, uh MD of Neuropsychiatry and owner of Basics uh Brain's Clinic and Carl Carla uh Pentimon. She was on the show in episode 31. If you haven't checked it out, please do. Uh, she's the founder of Women's College Hockey Recruiting. So, welcome guys. Thank you so much for jumping on.
SPEAKER_03Thank you.
SPEAKER_00Thanks so much for having us, Ilya. Super excited.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, same here. And uh Carla, thank you so much for introducing me to Adel. And I'm really excited about this conversation. Uh, I obviously had a chance to kind of read a little bit about what you do, but Adol, maybe you could take tell folks a bit a little bit about yourself and who you are, where you come from, and and what you did today.
SPEAKER_03How how how long do we have? As long as you need.
Adele’s TMS Background And Breakthroughs
SPEAKER_03I'm an MD with a master's degree in neuropsychiatry. Uh I'm from Egypt. Um basically, I started doing something new called TMS transcredium magnetic stimulation back early 2012. Uh well, long story short, I've traveled the world. I've uh I'm trying to do my best helping people, educating people. I was um the medical advisor for one of the bigger companies in the um in the states. I've also worked at um a hospital in the neurology department, which is affiliated with Cornell, and we we did amazing things. So some people call me God's hand, right? Because um what I've seen is is through 1200, more than 1200 patients, I've seen some really miraculous miracles, let's put it that way. Um, people coming out of coma, people who wouldn't move for a year, within 10 days, they're on their feet, supported, of course. Um, depending on a lot of things. Like uh, I can go on and on because I I've actually published 13 off-label treatments using this technology. Uh one of the crazy things I've I've changed, I've modified this technology to help people in coma breathe better by stimulating the diaphragm. Um kids are are are they take a special place in my heart. Uh, I go anywhere for them. Uh, literally, I'm going to Serbia in a week to to see some kids. So um, yeah, um, well, I've worked in Europe, Africa, North America. Uh, probably the one of the fewer people who actually know how to use the technology to diagnose and to treat.
SPEAKER_02That's amazing. And and Carla, uh, what have you been up to since we spoke a few years ago? So it's been a while.
SPEAKER_00Um, you know, the company has grown a ton. Uh, it's awesome. We now have Tom Hoffman as a partner, uh, which is great. Um, we were really, really fortunate uh to have Jess Kazumi come on board with us. So uh she was the head associate head coach at the University of Vermont, Ohio State, and Yale and played at the University of Minnesota Duluth. And now she has a little one and wanted the opportunity to kind of work remotely. And so she we have we're blessed to have her now on staff with us, as well as um our first advisor, Ali Lil Baff, who's done amazing. Um, and then we have a couple of athletes who actually have come back after being athletes through WCHR, which is really, really special. Um, Anna McCluskey, um, who was at Lake Forest College, she was a WCHR OG athlete. Um, Nicole Ulias came on board with us. Um, she's amazing, and she also played at the University of Wisconsin. So we've really grown and it's been amazing to see the growth. Um, we've had a ton of success placing athletes in this really um, you know, ever-changing market, which is which is awesome. Um, and then personally, I'm a mom of of two now, uh, a one and a three-year-old. And so I've taken a little bit of a step back from the 80 hours a week, and I'm I'm working, you know, more steady and um just kind of being able to um, you know, it's
Carla’s Concussions And Searching For Answers
SPEAKER_00most important for for me to make sure I'm I'm being a great mom. So um my three-year-old is playing hockey and loves it, and my my one almost two-year-old is gonna be is getting on the ice as well. Um, so you know, I really wanted to introduce uh Dr. Adele to you, um, Ilya, because I think your podcast does so many things and uh and reaches you know a ton. And I think um also I didn't realize the New York connection is there too. So you guys will have to chat on that. But um I haven't really shared um with the community that I was out for a little while um due to some concussions and um some pretty severe symptoms I was having. Um very, very severe. Um and so I am back. And for those close to me, um, it was a really very, very, very challenging time. Um, and I can say, like he I'm a you know, I'm a big Catholic and you know, Christian believer in God, and through God and through Dr. Adele, um, have worked a miracle in my life. And I really wanted to make sure that everyone out there um has the opportunity to be introduced uh to Dr. Adele and the work that he's doing. And um, I think that you know there's obviously the the day and age we live, there's so many great um opportunities with the growth of um research and medicine, but this is something that is groundbreaking. And like he said, taking people out of comas, getting people who were not walking, the ability to walk, um his work with Parkinson's, like it's just it's amazing and it's non-invasive, and it's just re-stimulating parts of the brain, which I'll talk about more, but re-stimulating parts of the brain that went dormant. And um, so through his work, I think you know, there's so much that could be done, not only hockey community, but obviously sport cross sports. So um obviously not steal too much of his thlender, but I'm excited to hear him.
SPEAKER_03No, no, I'm actually waiting for you to like you know, say more.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02This is pretty pretty amazing because I didn't, yeah, I'm so glad you shared that backstory. And and I think you know, you didn't drop 80-hour work week, you actually picked up 160-hour work week with two kids. So you you know, you know, it's a hard job. I know uh my wife will tell you she we have three boys, so we uh we go through uh through a ton. So um, but yeah, I didn't realize that that was the that the connection was that uh Dr. Dell, you actually uh worked your magic. So can you talk a little bit about that and and what that okay?
SPEAKER_03I'll talk about the initial part, right? Okay, so because I think Carla might need to you know say her story. I could I again I I'm a believer that when someone experienced something that is as drastic as whatever, and then they talk about it, they they would they would convey more than I can say. Does that make sense? So one thing I have to share with Carla, like I almost I almost said she's not gonna go with the process, but sometimes you just it's not about the job, it's about your faith in the creator to make something make a difference. Like we actually had uh someone who wants who who I thought I could help, but they never came through, right? I wish they can see this, and I wish to tell them that there's zero risk, and in your case, there's zero risk. Now, Carla gave me a heart attack that day, right? Um I was like on this much, and I have tolerance, right? So I do have tolerance, so I was this close of saying, okay, I'm I'm I'm gonna pick up a leaf. But for with God's grace, it's I was very reluctant.
SPEAKER_00I was incredibly reluctant. I had gone through a lot of different avenues and tried to get treatment, and nothing was working and nothing was helping. And um, so I was kind of at a point where I'm just like, yeah, I guess I'll go to, you know, I'll go and and check it out. But I was still like hemming and hawing at, you know, the the office. And I'm like, I don't, and he waited there for like two hours, so patient as I was as I was trying to make a decision about it. Um, but something told me that I needed to try it. And um my husband was afterwards, I was like it kind of just it just it was amazing. It was an amazing um turnaround. And it's just I I truly can't believe um you know, gave me gave me my life back, which was it's it's incredible. And so anyone watching this um who, you know, has dealt with concussions, um, dealt with, you know, any sort of struggle, like I think it's really exploring this avenue. And um, I would encourage you to to really think about, you know, your options. There's so much out there other than medications or other than you know, sitting in a dark room, because it's really the opposite of that. You need to do, you need to get out there and you need to do um, you know, after post-concussion, you know, a lot of people say, oh, you you need to, you know, sit in a dark room, not you know, the noises bother you and and things like that. But if you you know look at guys like Sidney Crosby, um, you know, I know he's went to UPMC and had a doctor who had a similar school of thought. Um, but I think with the TMS stimulation, in addition to, you know, living your life and things, and and once those pathways are reopened, if you know, for you athletes out there, for all young hockey players out there, once you've once you've had that open, you're able to truly live your life. And so I think that um, you know, plus for me, I was uh it had two young kids, and so I think like it's um it's just it's remarkable and it's groundbreaking what TMS can do.
What Treatment Felt Like Over Time
SPEAKER_03Can I pick up on something Carla said? So Carla said she went through a lot of you know things before she like we thought about TMS, right? Now this is something because TMS I could I could say it's a magic wand, but it's a magic wand in the hands of someone who knows what you know how what to do. The problem with that is that people would come in as a last resort, like again, this actually makes things harder, right? Because if you we always have have a saying we have to decrease the time spent in a disorder. So if you can get if you get a trauma and then within weeks, try to figure out if TMS is good for you or not, that would be the best choice. Now, another thing that I would uh would if it's okay to share, it's a roller coaster, right? So I would say so. The first day we had the treatment, it's like we switched Carla on back, right? The second day she was down. I know this happens because I I I even told her I don't want to see something that doesn't last. Well, we know how to make things last, and it's a process. So people who do TMS or want to do TMS, it's not all like a steady. It's uh the first day it's like a kick in 90% of the people, right? And so people think, oh, it's going to be always like that. No, sometimes we plateau, and when we plateau, people think, oh, they're regressing. No, you're not, you know, you're not regressing, you're just not progressing. Does that make sense? So these are some tricks that we see clinically when we treat people with TMS. Uh Carla has been amazing. Uh, she didn't give me my spots today, though.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, he's been he's been doing some life coaching and making sure that I'm, you know, I'm continuing to to, and I I I'm just so so grateful. And I think for anybody listening, um, maybe joined a little later or just doesn't know what TMS is, it's really just magnets that are um that basically there's pulses that are giving and it re-stimulates. And I think the amazing thing about Dr. Adele is there's a lot of um offices around the country that will do TMS like very specific protocols. But what is so um amazing about Adele is that he specifies the treatment based on each individual case and really gets he sat down after I hemmed and hawed for two hours and and spent more, you know, another two hours learning to know exactly what I was going through, you know, exactly what was happening to me um, you know, post-concussion and how I was feeling, um, and playing beer league with my dad, and then just basically had, you know, had these accidents and um, you know, we're trying to figure out is it pots, is it this, is it that? And um, and so, you know, even even trying to figure out what's, you know, what's going on, he was able to then target the certain areas of the brain to re-stimulate it. So I think that is so important um to note is that he is very groundbreaking and doing great work because he is specifically targeting each individual person. Um, I my son has a conditional called congenital myasthenic syndrome, and so it's a neuromuscular syndrome. And so he'll basically go into the pathology and look at you know, what is it and how can I treat that? So it's it's just super incredible.
SPEAKER_02That's really incredible. Carl, what what symptoms did you have if you don't mind me asking that? Like kind of like an immediate relief and then maybe more of a long-term story.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so I had uh, man, a lot of things dizziness, trouble hearing, um, you know, like basically visual changes. Um, I was super, super lethargic. Um, I had like terrible insomnia. Um, it was just like kind of like debilitating, like, and it happened all of a sudden. Like, you know, as soon as as soon as I had the concussion, it was just awful. And like I had had, you know, concussions before, but this was just, you know, different than I had ever experienced. Um, where I it was hard for me to, you know, to get out of the house and to do my normal um activities. So I was, you know, not myself. I was I'm usually like just full of energy, full of um, and I just was not that way uh to it to a really extreme degree. Um, so I'm was incredibly grateful for Donna.
SPEAKER_03It took us four days to have her wake up on her own early in the morning.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03She would wake up like midday. Yeah. It took us four days. That's amazing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And I think there's so many people out there that I can just think of that I personally know that can benefit from this, let alone like, you know, I think I I it had gave me, I was a little nervous, like to have give this vulnerability of like sharing this with the community. Um, but I think, you know, this happened to me. And like I said, I'm a person of faith, and God has told me, like, I I want to share this so that it can hopefully, you know, if there's other people that are listening, or I would like to put this on our social media as well, you know, I know it can help a lot of people. And you don't always have to um go the routes that maybe mainstream um medicine is saying you need to go, and there's other ways and other avenues. And I think um, you know, even like medications and things like that, and pharmaceutical companies, I think this has been maybe pushed down a little bit because of how great it is.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, don't don't don't don't get politics into that. Yeah, I won't.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02But but I you know, I think you know, this show in particular, in my stance, is is I I can agree with you more. I think folks need to make a decision ultimately which way it works for them. But I do love uh having the options, and you know, I know my my aunt passed away from you know uh detrimental diseases of dementia and and um Alzheimer's and things like that. So you know it was very fast, and you know, things that now I'm learning. I I don't know if you uh uh you probably know Dan Cristillo from the NHL. He does a lot of cell billing and and magic mushroom stuff research kind of thing. Also has to do with concussions. Uh he's going kind of that that kind of therapy as well. He I think he opened his own clinic in in Oregon to try to help folks deal with it. So I definitely love the holistic, that kind of like real approach that doesn't necessarily you know go through non-stop medications and you know the kind of tend to spiral out of control, especially if they don't help, right? Especially when you get to a point where the these things are just not working for your body. You know, not if some people it does, and some people it doesn't. And so um I I really appreciate you being able to do that.
SPEAKER_00Uh Elena mentioned, and she's the owner, her and her husband Marco are the owners of our hope here in Chicago, um, that CMS doesn't work for everyone. It's not like a magic, magic bullet or anything like that, but um it definitely you know could help and there's no harm.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, absolutely. And you know, I do have uh question from that's my wife, by the way, and she's asking a question. Uh, what is the age of children you work with and help uh usually?
SPEAKER_03Uh so this is this is this is this is this is another one. She's a tough one. So literature says has it that the youngest person was six months old.
SPEAKER_02Oh wow, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um my youngest was two and a half years old, but I couldn't do this in the US or it again, it was back in Egypt, and the kid was just um diagnosed with autism. And after signing the consent, of course, I told them uh let's do that. Actually, on my YouTube channel, there is a video for that kid. Um, that kid, after four 20 sessions, sorry, you'd find him walk in, get on the table, the uh the bed, cover himself up, I close the door, and it's only me and him. That is a huge thing when it comes to autistic children because their anxieties increase when they're you know isolated with a total stranger. So we can go down as far as two and a half years old. Again, in the US, um it has been approved for adolescents, uh, not yet for children, but um, anything could happen in the US under the umbrella of research. So if you have an IRB approval, you can do whatever you want to do in the US. And that's one of the things I've learned because I I I used to work for Cornell or something affiliated with Cornell. So they're always a backdoor, let's put it that way.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. No, but but that's uh, you know, I I feel like if if God forbid there's a there's a child out there 13, 14 years old, maybe dealing with American football or hockey, and you know, which actually I would say also deters a lot of kids from entering the sport is because of the high level of injuries that you can sustain, not even that somebody hits you, but you're running into the boards, or you know, in football, you're constantly contacting with a helmet, you know. So those high impact sports tend to yield a lot of those concussion issues, especially in younger, you know, high-level athletes, you know, especially when you get to college age as well, and having an option to do something what you do is pretty remarkable. So it'd be great to, you know, for those parents to explore those opportunities opposed to starting on uh you know more of a chemical treatment early in in the child's life.
SPEAKER_04Absolutely.
What TMS Is And How It Works
SPEAKER_03Well uh uh well I think people would want to understand what TMS is, right? Yeah. So as Carlos said, TMS is transcranial magnetic stimulation, which is using magnets. This is the cranium, so we just it's an uninvasive technique, and I can actually move each finger at a time without even invading your brain. That's how cool it is. Now, one of the tricks that I I tell I show people before I start is actually moving their hands without touching them.
SPEAKER_01The magnet is how the magicians do it. Yes, that's how the magicians do it.
SPEAKER_03Yes, so I uh it's actually magical because when you do that, people like when they read online, they say it's painful, it causes seizures. This is all true but false. It's not painful, it's FDA proof for uh TMS. Is that actually actually this is the funny thing about TMS? You can do something and it's opposite. So TMS can cause headaches, yes, in 25% of people, but TMS can cure migraine with aura. How funny is that?
SPEAKER_00And I was a person that I had migraines and I didn't have any symptoms of headache from it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, so basically, the the the magnetic fields, depending on the on what we're dealing with, we can actually speed up or slow down brain functions. Like, for instance, I could put someone into depression and it could be therapeutic. And I did this and I I did not publish it because I thought people will will see me as sadistic. But I had a pay uh a child who was ODD, opposition defiance order, right? And he was like messy all week, and I told the parents, okay, I'm gonna put him in a depressive state, but I want everyone to frown. So I used it as a conditioned reflex, and it actually worked. So the next day they come and they go, We frown at his face, and he would cry and we would laugh. And I go, guys, this is not the aim. It's not a joke. This is therapeutic, right? So this machine can actually again like speed up, slow down, it increases blood flow, oxygen consumption rate. So if we have any damage, it releases things like uh serotonin, it it has genetic background, it can cause neuroplasticity, which is essentially new new neural networks, so it's a healer. If people want to know more about the defect of TMS, they shouldn't read into pulse electromagnetic fields, PEMF, because PEMF is the mother, and TMS is just the daughter, right? Now, one of the things that TMS does is it works on pain. So when we're talking about athletes, it actually decreases some some studies say it decreases inflammation, so pain. We can use the magnetic fields to strengthen muscles. You can I I actually have a protocol for abs, right? I've used it for two weeks. I have pictures before and after. It is something so if you have an injury, usually a muscle is weaker than the other, and the other is spastic, right? So, or you have spasm in the muscle. I can actually release spasm in four in four to ten minutes. Wow, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And honestly, they call him the crazy Egyptian. And I, when I first met him, I'll be honest, I haven't even said this to you yet. I was like, I don't know, this guy's really eccentric, like, this is all hocus pocus. This is just like this is BS, right? And I I I had been through so much, but I am sitting here, I can come, I will, I can go to tears, but I don't want to. Like, this can work miracles in people's lives, and that is why I wanted to make sure that that you guys met and why I'm going to talk about it to everyone who will listen, um, how transformational this is. And when I heard his stories about like coma, you know, bringing people out of coma, you know, woman out of a coma who had carbon monoxide poisoning, um someone who, you know, jumped into water that was too in paralyzed, like getting feeling back. Like I literally thought, like, this guy is making it up, like he's making it up. There's no way. But my husband, who will come downstairs and tell, you know, and and and share our story, like it's it's it's amazing. It's it's just amazing. And I've the more I've researched and the more our family has researched, um, it's something that I think really needs to be talked more about.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, no, and and these stories that you talk about and you know sound pretty magical. And I think, you know, I I'm a big believer, like as I mentioned earlier, of this kind of alternative therapy and things like that. And so uh, you know, I think it's pretty incredible, especially now that you've been you've had you know over a thousand or twelve hundred patients, as you mentioned earlier, right? Uh globally. Is there
Coverage, Insurance, And Off-Label Reality
SPEAKER_02um do you notice any differences across the world as you travel and do this? Is there more of a certain type of I guess uh illness that you see across the world as opposed to here in the US?
SPEAKER_03So I'm known to get the worst cases ever, the hardest ones, right? Um, because people would try a lot of things and then they would see a video or see me talking or see one of the videos I post uh other patients talking, and they would say, Okay, you're you're our last hope. So so I see like again, TMS is not widely used in the US for rehabilitation, and that's that's very important because when we talk about sports, like um I actually had a friend in in San Diego, Dr. Monsour. We he there was an NBA event back in May, I think, in Chicago, and he he actually introduced the idea of TMS because from what he's seen, he had he actually like sent a sent a client and he saw what happened, and he was like, This is not normal. And I go, hell yeah, I've been saying this for over 15 years, you know. So he we are trying to push this into athletes because again, the worst thing that could happen is that people will not get any benefit. That's and that's bad. Like for me, that's bad. You know, putting in the effort, of course, it's not it's not a cheap thing, and and and you know, not getting results for me.
SPEAKER_00That's that's there are your insurances that cover it though. If you have good insurance, right?
SPEAKER_03The only cover, unfortunately, so TMS is only covered, but um covers depression, maybe OCD, although it's FDA approved for migraine, it doesn't cover that. Uh peripheral pain, it doesn't cover that. Um, it helps with anxieties, um, but it has to go under the depression uh part. Um but there are so many other uses, like I like I could name 13 that no one actually attempted in the world, like carbon monoxide poisoning, yeah. Someone attempted that, right? Uh, and that and I'm talking about 2014.
Coma Recovery And Hypoxic Brain Injury
SPEAKER_02So remember how did that work? How did you you said the person was in a coma and then you applied the so this is a fun you see?
SPEAKER_03It's actually online, but the video is online. I think we I shared it with you. Maybe not. So the funny thing is that I have I had a partner, uh business partner, and she came in crying, and she goes, Uh, this 24-year-old has a six-month-year-old kid, and she's she's been you know exposed to hyperbary oxygen, and uh it's a carbon monoxide, and there's nothing happening, and everyone's saying she's gonna stay like this, right? So I just sat back and I smiled, my beautiful smile. I go, let's do TMS. And she goes, Are you crazy? And I tell her, like, there is a paper that was published that emphasizes even at low frequencies, TMS increases blood flow and oxygen consumption rate. And we have a hypoxic brain injury. That means the brain cannot utilize the oxygen that it gets. So why not stimulate the brain to be able to get that oxygen? Right? So we didn't start filming until the second day, right? Because in my mind, if you see the brain injury, the brain is literally out, right? Even the the like cerebellum where the coordination is and all that. So we didn't we didn't think I thought but maybe by the 30th session. The amazing thing that happened is that this technique actually is being used in China right now because it cuts the stroke patient's time at the hospital by almost a third. So oxygen and then go into a chamber, right? So the second day they say she moved yesterday, and I go, You you must be kidding me, right? And then we started filming, and she actually moved on the third day. Wow. Now, on the sixth day, we were able to get her standing up unsupported, and we actually went on national television with that. That that story was again, no one understands, it's as simple as explained, right? No one understands why this happened, it's as simple as what am I dealing with? Right, and what can the machine do? So the funny thing is, we went on national television with that case, two different uh congresses, they asked us to, and that's not legal, you can't present at two congresses that you know look into things. They actually had us presented a second time, the first time was in Singapore, the second time in Czech Republic, and we just told them, like, we just published this. They go, Well, no, no, no, no, we need you to come and talk about this. Now, another funny thing is when I showed my father is a radiologist. When I showed him the stance, he goes, Adal, this could never be the same person. I go, Dad, I swear to you, these are the these are for the same person. And then I showed him the video, and he goes, This is impossible. And I go, Well, there's a creator, there's nothing impossible, you know.
SPEAKER_00It's like and I and not to not to discount other modalities or other things, but you know, I tried acupuncture and you know, little smidges. There's but TMS, it's like it's big, it's not like it's not like a little like like pick
Making Results Last With Coaching
SPEAKER_00me up.
SPEAKER_03It is like it can change your life, and so I think that um let's be honest, TMS will not change your life on its own. Like again, people think it's the magic wand, sometimes it is, like and 20 20 to 30 percent of people it is the magic wand, right? This is all you need, but from what we've seen is that if TMS is not managed by coaching or therapy, because we're training the brain how to relive life again. So if we don't do the things that we need to do, yes, you'll get some results, but no one can guarantee how long they will go for, and that's why I tell people like TMS are our crutches. Now we're gonna take one crutch at a time, and that's and you have to do start doing things. That's why I was joking about the squats because this is this is this is this is what's gonna keep you going. It might be simple, but you haven't been doing squats for how long? Yeah, so you know, yeah.
SPEAKER_02So is there like uh a path where you know you start off a little bit, you have to do certain sessions every day, and then you kind of simmer them off, or how does it usually work, or is it something you should be doing for the rest of your life once you start? How does it work?
SPEAKER_03I I can't I can't I can't handle uh everyone uh for life. Yeah, like Carla.
SPEAKER_01I don't think you have to leave once you help them.
SPEAKER_03Carla knows that. Uh I want to help as many people as as I can.
SPEAKER_00Um talk about like the six weeks and all of that.
SPEAKER_03So we have two ways, accelerated, which is basically three to two to ten. That's the approved uh protocol now, two to ten sessions a day for five days. Now, I only reserve this for cases who need fast results, really need it, like their life depends on it. All right, so that I would start off there, and then I would do regular TMS, which is one session a day, five days a week for two weeks. If they are doing better, and this is for you, we decrease them to three so people can be reintegrated into their life and do more and more and more now. If for two for another two weeks, if they are doing well, we just pace it to two. So why am I are we doing this? So in the US, it's usually five times a week for seven weeks, right? We've been we've we've devised this because if people we want to get people better longer and integrate them into their lives again, right? They need to get in control. So going back to Pavlov, my favorite scientist ever, he said to actually change something, we need two to six weeks of continuously doing it at a similar pattern, right now. If we want this pattern to last longer, we need to hit the eight to twelve weeks, and that's what we're doing with TMS. We want people better longer in the US. Here it's quite difficult because patients might be, you know, when they get better, they just go away, you know. So that's why they have the seven-week thing. But getting the brain back to its normal function, we love to get to it to 12 to 10 to 12 weeks. After that, if they can last 12 weeks without any you know interruptions, they're they're they're cured. That's 12 weeks is three months, 12 weeks. You know, like who can ask for more? Right. Sometimes we need boosters, that's why we follow up for a year. But boosters here in the US, they're not highly recognized. But again, it's something that we can do, right?
SPEAKER_02Right. So it depends on on the case and the person and and how they're progressing. Yeah, no, that's that's pretty amazing. Um, and I know you mentioned earlier that um the sooner you kind of come to you, the better it is, the better outcome you can kind of expect, or the easier it is for you to work with that person to diagnose them and help them. Um, so what would be some of the signs that people would should be looking for, especially like if you see your kid post-injury or something like that, would that should kind of give you a hint like hey, you should go and explore um you know TMS?
SPEAKER_03Okay, so let me let me say this because God is amazingly great, right? Not every hit will cause damage. All right, so what symptoms could we deal with? Anxieties, lack of sleep, uh pain, um, mood changes, um, overthinking. Um, so these are things like again, um, not being able to use your arm, not because of the pain, because of nerve injury. We can actually help with that. Um, actually, I did show you that video, but I had I had some a friend of a friend who had cervical fusion, and somehow in one of the biggest hospitals in the US, they they trapped the nerve to the extent that his arm was atrophied and he couldn't do it. So, in four days, I have this video, and he goes, You don't know how long I haven't been able to do this in four days. Right now, he had a whole totally like he like Carla said, each one has their own protocol, it's the same concept, but it it looks different because everyone needs something different from another person, and I don't even need to stimulate the brain, I could stimulate uh at the pain site, which is super super safe, super safe, right? So again, it's it's a whole it's it's not just the tool, it's the tailoring part, let's put it that way.
SPEAKER_00And it does, I mean we work with Dr. Shelke um out of Canada to do a lot of our mindset training and things like that. And you know, we have athletes who have OCD, we have athletes who have, you know, anxiety, depression, all these things. And I think that uh reopening pathways or even like you know, I know a lot of athletes are doing are perfectly fine, but are you know doing things to increase their potential? And so it could be something that you know you're increasing, you know, the neuroplasticity in your brain, you're incre you know, you're increasing your ability uh to see things differently on and off the ice in ways that you've never seen before. So I think like at the highest levels, it can be a competitive edge.
SPEAKER_02That's that's a great point, Carl. And I think you know things. About a healthy athlete or looking to enhance their performance, enhance their quality of life, maybe. Because uh, you know, as we know,
Athlete Stress And Life After Sport
SPEAKER_02especially when you get to those division one programs and really high level of athleticism, it's it's physical and mental pressure and and I would say even sometimes trauma that comes along with it because of how much stress you put on yourself. Yeah. And to be in an environment, to be successful. I think a lot of folks who listen or listen to my show um are probably starting to get an idea of that you know being a pro-athlete or being a high-level athlete, not necessarily a professional, uh, is a very difficult job. You know, when you go to three, four practices a day and physical workouts, the mental stress, you still gotta go to school for a while. A lot of these younger uh kids going through, you know, getting to those levels. You can't have a lot of your social life suffers because you can't really go out when everybody's going to a movie, you're you know, working out, shooting pucks, doing whatever it is you need to do to be at that level. So you're really causing a lot of that stress. And you know, you're lucky if you're kind of in love with the sport and that's why you do it. But a lot of kids do it because you know their parents did it or somebody else did it, and they kind of following the dream, and it's they're overcommitted to it at this point to quit. And so they just continue to push.
SPEAKER_00I was trying to explain this to Dr. Dell because he doesn't know why I'm always go, go, go, go, go. And like I think a lot of it is this, you know, what we were brought up with for all you young hockey players out there, you don't stop. You can't stop because if you do stop, there's somebody right next to you who's gonna come after you, right? And so I know for me, like, you know, I was up in the morning, you know, work private before school, 6 a.m. Then we'd have uh, you know, then we'd have then I'd have to go to school. I'd actually get up, get out early so I can go to another lesson before my practice and and train. And then I would have schoolwork and I'd get to bed at like midnight, sometimes two o'clock in the morning, get my stuff done. And so um it, you know, everybody knows this how hard it is um to define yourself outside of being an athlete, right? And I was actually thinking about writing a book at one point, you know, say life after, you know, a lot of the people at Wisconsin when I was playing at Wisconsin, some of my friends were on a football team or, you know, girls' basketball. And you're like, you've lived this intense, insane life on and off of private jets going to games, and then all of a sudden it stops. And you're like, what do I do now? Like, and for me, I put all that energy into WCHR. And then it was kind of like my family came right after that. Um, and I had the concussion, and like, so it was it was a lot. And I think um, you know, I was gonna write a book that said life is not a tryout, like, and I kind of I always kind of feel like felt like it is like you're always gonna be going, you always have to be on, you always have to be going. Um, and for me, the hardest thing to sometimes do is just be and stop and be. And um I think a lot of athletes on here probably feel feel that same way, I'm guessing. And so um, but I I do think that for those of you guys who are in the thick of it and looking to get that competitive edge, TMS might be able to help.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and I and I you know, I share your sentiment so much because I, you know, I did martial arts, I wrestled, I did, you know, I I had a few concussions myself throughout my college wrestling career and and uh you know martial arts and competing. And so, you know, I haven't had uh you know, knock on wood, significant symptoms, but you know, if with age, those things start to kind of progress and and show themselves and catch up with you. Um, and so I'm always thinking about, you know, if uh Dr. Delph, if you start something like this a little bit earlier in your career, even if you don't have a specific injury, but you are going through this high stress environment, how could TMS help in those situations?
SPEAKER_03Well, um on the mental level, we can decrease the anxieties. Um and of course, with stress, um, depression is not too far behind because there's the immunological fact theory of depression, so we can always like help with the mood. Um, if you're talking about the competitive level, we can actually stimulate the brain to work in a certain way on the motor cortex. So, you know, so uh if you want to perform better, that is something. Now, when it comes to injuries, um rehabilitation with TMS is is is quite amazing. It's quite amazing. Nerve injuries, like I have we've we we've had quadriplegies, um you know, um autoimmune diseases, even right? Um, like we we have like we treated uh multiple sclerosis, uh something called chronic inflammatory demyelinating disorder, which is similar to uh uh MS, but on the peripheral side. Um, so nerve injuries, muscle injuries, you'll be amazed that TMS can actually help heal your bone. And if you if you doubt this, just Google PEMF, right? And see in bone healing, and you'll be amazed that it has been cleared back in the 70s. So using magnetic fields to heal bone, which is malunion bone, which bone that that does not fuse together, you can actually use magnetic fields, yeah. Exactly. That's how mind-blowing the technology is, right? Because people are focused on TMS. No, if you want to know more about TMS and know why this brain works different, you need to read into pulse electromagnetic fields, right? Because without magnets, literally we all die. Magnetic field of the earth is protecting us.
SPEAKER_02Uh, you you mentioned something that actually caught my eye that that you know is kind of uh around my family, which is like autoimmune diseases and things like that. And and um, how does that work? Like, how do you treat an autoimmune disease using TMS? I just is yeah, you don't have to go to other details.
SPEAKER_03It's just to explain this, uh I'll tell you one of the craziest ideas that I I wasn't forced not to implement, right? So during COVID, I came across a paper that says TMS decreases something called interlocan one beta, which is the cascade for COVID crisis, right? It's uh so I wrote a I wrote a paper uh about it, and I I was working at at uh at the hospital back then, and I had a lot of COVID patients to I only needed three days to prove it right or wrong. 10 patients, three days, I'm done. So they refused that because there was a pharmaceutical company doing the same thing. So why am I saying this? Because if I could stimulate a brain area that would enhance your immunity, I could do that and reverse the process of the autoimmune disease. Well, when you read into brain, so it's it's the most important thing God created, and that's why it's in a vault, right? No access. So this controls all of this, right? Like people with CI problems, it could be here, yeah.
SPEAKER_02I was gonna say it would probably apply to thyroid and and other issues that people would be dealing with, you know, that kind of can cause that disbalance in the body.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, well, well, again, sleep. It's so one of the things that actually it helps with sleep, and when you sleep better, your body has the ability to regenerate better. Yeah, okay, so again, it's a regenerative technique.
SPEAKER_00And I have a question. So once once it you're good, how if you keep going in the direction, you're good, right?
SPEAKER_03It's unless you get another trauma, yeah. That's as simple as that, and that's the beauty of TMS because if we learn where the trauma is or how we got it, we avoid that, and we have like you know, systems to avoid going back into that trauma, you're good for life. That's why when I train someone, I tell them, you're slipping. Okay, you're slipping, that means you're not following the rules. You need to you need to do it. We need to train your brain to know how to react. We are actually one of the things I wrote was RTMS, people own people know it as repetitive transcranial magnetic stimulation. That R for me is resynchronizing, I'm re-educating the brain. It's as simple as that, you know.
SPEAKER_02But people don't that's it's it's really quite extraordinary, you know, thinking about the the opportunity to you know help somebody with young kids, or help young kids whose parents have to watch their kids, you know, with certain syndromes or issues or injuries. And you know, I definitely urge everybody who is with things to do some research into Dr. Dell and his work. I I had a chance to look a little bit at some of the links you sent me, and uh like I said, it's pretty remarkable to see um you know what this can do, and and especially when you know I I had people in my family, as I mentioned, who had Alzheimer's and and and detrimental disease, but also people who deal with autoimmune issues and and you know, like arthritis and things like that, that kind of over time are becoming more and more evident, and having this as an option to kind of uh being able to improve your quality of life and improve your symptoms and the way you feel is is quite extraordinary.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, we really appreciate the opportunity, Ilya. And um, yeah, looking forward to getting it published and sharing with more folks as well on WCHR's channels.
SPEAKER_02Absolutely.
Habits, Resources, And Giving Back
SPEAKER_02And so before you kind of wrap up, I was wondering if uh I I you know I like to do a little bit of a rapid fire. So maybe if you could just talk a leave folks who are listening with three habits that they should, you know, would help raise some of the mental awareness and and injury awareness, some three habits that they can do now that could improve the quality of life for them, and when to you know, really look into TMS and think about the opportunity to participate, what would they be?
SPEAKER_00I mean, from what I've learned from Dr. Dell, I would say the first one is to um set your values and set your boundaries, like and make sure that you know, if you're an athlete and you know that you need eight hours of sleep, you turn your phone off at a certain time and you're done. Or if, you know, if whatever your boundaries are, whatever your values are, make sure you do that. Second thing would be um healthy, let's see, healthy habits could be um, I know for me is to make sure that you're, you know, eating, sleep, getting the good night's sleep, making sure that you're doing the right things aside from TMS, because if you're just doing the TMS and you expect that, you know, I'm not gonna change my habits, but I'm gonna just do my TMS, it's not gonna work. You need to, you need to get out of your comfort zone a little bit and be able to do the things that, you know, if you're in whatever you're in, if you've if you had an injury, you need to be able to get out of of where you were and make sure you're getting out and and doing things you need to do. Um, let's see, in the third one, I'm gonna give you the third one. What's the third one?
SPEAKER_03Well, actually, um I'm I'm gonna like rephrase things because she just reminded me of Chad GBT. So Chad GPT is not trained to be a clinician, right? There are some information, it's an easy thing, but again, the devil is in the details. So there was an incident that Carla read something, and and that something for me, I smiled because this is the truth. But ChatGPT said this will not treat TMS will not treat her condition, and she but it has long-term effects. This is what she read, right? So again, when you read something like that, it freaks you out. But if it has long-term effects in medicine, it's called remission, which is a cure. Does that make sense? Yep, yeah, no chat GPT. Please, if you're gonna ask someone, ask ask someone who actually knows what they're doing, right? Like Carla said, Google isn't a doctor, exactly, exactly. Like it took us it, like it took us a whole day to actually clear that out. It was simple as remission is long term, so it is a cure, you know. As simple as that. So no chat GBT, like Carla said, I like Abraham Maslow. There are five things that you need to do. Basic. No one can live without them. Breathe, so good air is good, right? Eat, drink, sleep is very important. I'm a sleep doctor, so I've seen miracles with sleep. Like I would like one of the treatments for some patients, I would put them to sleep for three days and then they wake up, you know. Just it's like a restart button, right?
SPEAKER_02Wow.
SPEAKER_03Um, go to the bathroom, okay. Um, bowel habits are very important. And the last one, people say it's like mating, but it's not or or the pleasure in in in uh in in having a partner. No, it's actually reproducing, keeping the bloodline, right? So these this is the second one. The third one that I had is so we said chat GPT, that was my last one. First one was uh no, actually, problem solving, problem solving strategies. Because again, we base one of the things that we face this in in our lives now, there's a lot of nonsense AI generated, and people would say, Oh, this is real, right? So, again, information gathering is very, very, very, very important. If you don't, and that's why one of the things that we do is Carla, go read, right? Do not take anything in until we discuss it, right? Because again, I'll give you an example. TMS causes seizures, people will freak out. I've only seen it once in 15 years. The percentage is 0.01 percent, and people would literally avoid TMS because of the seizures. We have treated people with seizure disorder using TMS. We have we've been following a doctor friend for five years, she was admitted once every month. Now it's only every nine months.
SPEAKER_06Wow.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so again, when you read into things, you need to know the numbers, how it's done. If you're not equipped, you need to ask about you need to ask someone for professional opinion.
SPEAKER_02Right, and and speaking of that, like where can folks go and find more, find out more about what you do and TMS. I know you've sent me a couple of links, but maybe you could just voice them out here so people know where to kind of start their research if if this show really hits a nerve and it's something they really need help with.
SPEAKER_03So, so um I'm usually active on Facebook. It's my name Adal Sari Said, S-A-Y-E-D, Marai, M-A-R-E-I. Uh, I think my YouTube, but I'm not very active there, but uh the the important videos are on there, right? Um Google my name, Adal Marae. I'm actually like, thank God. I well, I I was chosen to be one of the best uh neuropsychiatrists in 2000 2024-2025 in New York by New York magazine. Um so I always post videos.
SPEAKER_00Um and if you need his direct line, I can help you guys out. So check out our numbers online and can hook you guys up.
SPEAKER_03Could I could I could I say what my personal working on?
SPEAKER_00I don't know what that is. Okay. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yes.
SPEAKER_03Okay, be my guest.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so I you know, I think uh, you know, part of me is I do what I'm passionate about, and you don't have to work a minute in your life, which is why I started WCHR, but my newfound passion is you know is now TMS. And so, you know, a big thing is is just connecting athletes, you know, and making sure that you know they have the option. And so we're gonna be, you know, putting it on our channels as well. Is that that we can do it?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and we'll be we'll be helping as many people as we can. Yes, in every way we can.
SPEAKER_00Oh, yes, we are going to be uh WCHR um for for athletes who are in need, uh, up to you know, we're looking at $150,000 worth of free TMS um for and coaching. Come on, don't come out, and coaching, and and coaching for athletes. So um, we're gonna have Adele be our wellness coach, which we're really excited about. So um, you know, another reason to join WCHR.
SPEAKER_02That is extraordinary. And and you know, uh I mentioned uh Sagacious Minds, which is a nonprofit that I've kind of started with a few other partners and uh has been around for about 10 years, and we were also working in, you know, we've done a lot of things around the community, but we're looking to build out more of a center for uh you know, ability to help kids with through sports and uh but also through the other place in New York, so you guys gotta you guys. Yeah, so back to the next reverse next time you're in New York, we definitely have to meet up. I'll show you on Monday.
SPEAKER_00So there you go.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, um, yeah, let me know what when you guys you when you have some time. I'll definitely connect in person and uh you know I'll show you a little bit of the things that we're doing here, and maybe we could uh you know keep growing your program and and the amazing things that you'd be uh an honor.
SPEAKER_03That would be a true honor. Thank you.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it and you know, I mean, for us as well, and for me, my all my colleagues and and folks who work with me, it's it's similar. We're here to try to improve people's lives, uh, you know, help people as much as we can, uh, the best we can. And sometimes it's connecting them to the right people.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's just it could that's the best thing anyone can do, you know. Yeah, right people.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Well, thank you so much for joining the show. I really appreciate having you guys, Carlos. Thank you so much for connecting us and Dr. Del. And I'm I'm so again, I'm so appreciative of you being vulnerable and then just sharing the story that you shared. I think it's it just shows a lot of gravity and really it makes it real. You know, it's it's a real thing that can really help. And I think it's important for people to know that.
SPEAKER_00One thing I want to take the time to say too is you know, everybody says it's okay to not be okay, but it's also okay to not want to be okay. And it's okay to want solutions in your life, and so not stopping until you've found something and keep fighting is I think important. I think the the saying now with with the new generation, it's okay to not be okay. Are you okay with that? Let's let's try to make it better, let's try to make your life the best it could be. So um give things a chance and never stop fighting.
SPEAKER_02Love that. Yeah, thank you guys so much. Thank you everybody for listening again. Uh, you know, you can send us your questions and I'll be happy to pass it on, but you can find us all on social media. Thank you again. Have a wonderful evening and a wonderful weekend. Thank you, everyone.